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KAYA (Kerstin Brätsch & Debo Eilers)KAYA : HOME

Ciccio, New York, US

31.08. – 12.10.2022

  • girl on the beach talking on the phone:

    actually I look back
    and I think wait
    you knew so much
    I didn’t even really fully appreciate it honestly back then I wasn’t even thinking I was just likeoh
    but like
    he’s not
    like continuing the conversation
    you know what I mean
    I felt like kind of
    used
    but I realize
    your so...
    you actually know music incredibly well!

    boy on the other end of the phone: inaudible

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    girl:
    no i think you do
    no no no you definitely do
    like I swear to god I
    have not met...
    I’ve gone to record stores with plenty of people and none of them have like
    genuinely been interested in like knowing so many artists. I don’t know
    thats what I think
    but what’s my point
    but what’s my point aussie
    I don’t know
    but
    ok
    listen
    I want to be your friend
    whether you like it or not
    because I decided I’m going to be your friend because I see so much potential
    so much potential
    and you know don’t be scared of like older kids like I know you were like that in high school
    and was like oh my god like david jr. just did...
    I’m like fuck that.I’ve talked to adults
    you’ve talked to adults all your life like you know...

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    but why are you laughing its true

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    no it’s nothing you did
    its what I... I guess
    listen aussie listen
    I guess I just like changed
    I thought like literally
    I was kind of in a bad place
    like
    I took a year off
    because
    honestly
    I was not in the best place
    um
    mentally
    and I could not stop
    smoking, I was in a really bad place
    and like um don’t tell this to other people I I just like
    I literally like
    stoped
    I don’t even know how to describe it
    I was like
    and then I realized
    like I became really really depressed
    um
    and then
    what else happened
    and then I took the year off
    and then I went
    you see
    everything had changed
    but then like
    I kinda just
    when i was younger
    like I loved Jane Austen
    you know
    I genuinely did
    I loved her
    because
    she was so
    she was so like
    just herself
    you knowshe was
    hmm
    I don’t know what i’m trying to say
    but i guess i just thought about you because I really thought
    I mean I think you’re a really cool person and I respect...

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    wait you can’t hear me...

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    no what I’m trying to say is
    I think you are really cool
    and I saw that with you
    and I saw that with the T’s
    and I know
    like so many
    like high school kids
    all these like random kids and they’re like ‘oh yeah bro there’s that guy’ like they don’t have much substance
    like they just like
    I don’t even know
    or like at least not like where they show it
    but you
    you do.
    all the kids in my high school
    like i can tell you
    i look back and like
    all of them
    but this might be different from you
    but in my high school
    it was like all
    I’m gonna be honest
    it was a bunch of
    like really rich spoiled brats
    so like obviously thats like different
    but i was like
    oh god
    I have to fit in
    I came from europe
    and like I wasn’t used to it
    and then I like
    started buying
    and like trying to fit in
    trying to
    but then I’m like why am I trying to fit in
    like
    I was so insecureall the time
    and it didn’t really do any good
    like
    and i think
    honestly
    I think you are insecure
    but i think thats fine
    I’m insecure too
    but I
    everyone is
    but I think that like
    um
    I’m just gonna say it
    I’m gonna be your friend
    and i’m gonna actually try to help you
    like honestly tell you what I think
    so i’m gonna say one thing
    ok if your trying
    this is from a girls perspective
    ok
    this is from a girl who’s had experience
    I’ve had a boyfriend for a few years
    like I know
    if you want a girl like whose had a boyfriend or not
    that doesn’t matter
    if you want a girl
    you have to go after her
    you don’t have to go after her but you have to like make her feel special you know?
    you have to
    like i remember
    I had to ask you
    I was like oh
    do you like that girl on instagram?
    I know that was really superficial
    like its just like what she looks like
    but you met her in person
    and you liked her
    she was nice
    I remember saying like well
    like
    like
    like what are you gonna do
    and I was just thinking
    at the time I didn’t really think that much about it
    but I looked back
    and I remember you were like
    like yeah if I run into her maybe in like six months
    then no
    why do you wait
    right?

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    yeah and thats ok
    thats fine
    but I’m just saying
    thats perfectly fine
    but I’m just saying
    like
    thats the thing
    like
    I’m the one who
    whose saying go
    like everyone doesn’t know what to expect
    and thats like the beauty of it
    you don’t have to be worried about
    like
    like oh are kids gonna like me cause
    the right ones are gonna like you
    people of substance like that see
    like that your really cool
    even
    your so much cooler than like most kids in my high school they all
    all they talked about was like
    like
    no this was fine but
    all they were talking about
    is like oh who was hot
    oh like was like that was it
    and like oh
    what does he do that was none of it
    none of it
    and like
    I don’t know
    I mean
    like I guess
    even if you wanted to casually hook up with someone
    I still think like
    you should
    um
    you should make them feel special
    and you shouldn’t like say
    oh yeah I just wanna hook up with like someone casually like when you said that
    that was like such a turn off
    and I didn’t want a relationship
    at all
    I like would’ve been fine with like
    honestly like
    I dunno if you even meant me
    but that doesn’t really matter (laughter)
    that doesn’t really matter
    the point is
    the point is aussie
    umthe point is
    I will try to help you
    um
    cause I do think you have
    yea
    I think you’re
    a really
    cool person
    and
    just know that you already have one friend
    who genuinely
    thinks that your interesting
    and like
    honestly before
    like
    I was like trying to be a different person
    I was wearing like topless shirts no i wasn’t topless i mean braless shirts and I was like trying to be cool
    like wearing ripped jeans
    and like thats why like
    I was just trying to be someone I wasn’t
    because I was like confused
    like I was like I didn’t know
    um
    and thats fine too
    but like
    just own it
    you know
    so when I like
    when a girl asks you like
    ‘oh so like what are you interested in’
    you say like what your interested in
    don’t just like ‘oh I don’t know’
    like
    I’m not really
    honestly just like
    as if you were talking to any of your friends
    and if they
    and if they understand
    like they’re the ones who you should be looking out for
    cause like
    it doesn’t matter if you like want a relationship or
    like
    nothing
    like thats not the point
    like if you want to like get a girl
    then you
    have to be confident
    you don’t have to go after her
    but you just have to know what you want
    and you have to like make her feel
    special
    because like all these girls
    all my friendsthey all like
    honestly
    they all like
    I’ll give you an example from like a girls perspective in my experiencethey all just talk about guys that are hot ‘oh he’s hot, oh he’s hot, oh he’s hot’ but like
    and I was the same wayI was like yeah
    aussie’s really attractive
    and like
    I did actually like
    that you were
    like a musician and everything
    but like yes
    I like think you are very attractive
    and I don’t think
    um
    yeah
    I don’t think your confident enough
    and I think thats something you should work on I know you’re shaking your head
    I know it’s hard.

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    no its fine
    its totally fine
    like
    honestly aussie its totally fine
    its a lot to take in
    but
    just know that I have good intentions for you because I know what it’s like
    yeah but
    how are you?
    (laughs)
    no but how are you though?
    how is everything? no tell me.
    I’m curious
    how’ve you been?

    boy: inaudible

    girl: you did?

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    no I don’t care I have timei’m at the beach
    you know honestly i don’t even like to go swimming I like to just sit
    and like think
    so (laughs)
    see I told you I was weird
    no I’m gonna help you
    (laughs) ok.

    boy: inaudible

    girl: show meboy: inaudiblegirl:
    ok I’m gonna be honest who is he again ?
    I forget
    I forget

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    yeah but what?
    Is he a rapper? I honestly don’t know I don’t really follow...

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    let me write that down I’m actually interested um
    whats the name?

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    cause honestly aussie I don’t really listen to new stuff so
    cause its kind of interesting to learn
    but um ok keep going.

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    so what time period is that? Is that like greenday vibes like red hot chilli peppers like what vibes is it?

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    oh guess what
    you know Parcels you know Parcels
    oh I showed it to you remember?

    boy: inaudiblegirl:
    why did you say it was folky? it’s so beatles vibes.

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    Is it?
    you really think thats all that is
    but its so much more than that
    think about how they are so like vintage looking they are so like their own person
    The Parcels
    it’s like these 5 kids that like
    kinda like the beatles
    they are like kinda foreign
    they are like interesting
    they have their own style
    like don’t you feel like all these rappers
    like kinda merge into one?
    don’t you feel like
    like who sticks out to you?

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    ok
    but aussie ok
    I don’t care about the tech I don’t care about the
    I
    I ask you
    what what
    ok like
    whats your favorite song do you have one?

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    ok
    what song do you like really relate to?

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    doesn’t matter
    I wanna hear it
    I wanna know
    I want you to tell me so I can write it down something that is actually really like moving to you.

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    doesn’t matter doesn’t matter whats the song.

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    see! (snaps)
    see this is it
    when a girl asks you a question it’s good to have an answer
    right
    it’s good to have one answer
    like what’s your favorite song, but like a genuine answer like why right if you don’t
    I guess you can say I don’t know
    thats also fine.

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    ok
    ok “Something About Us”
    ok
    ok that one I’ll listen to that like later
    ok honestly
    oh god I’m at like 2 percent
    umm ok
    and the other one is “Itsy ghost” is that a song or like an album?

    boy: inaudible

    girl:
    I’ll listen to it
    I’ll listen to it
    ok
    just remember
    just remember
    you have one genuine friend.
    And you can honestly act like whatever you want I honestly don’t really care that much but I will
    I will be your real friend
    because thats what I decided
    and with any one else, honestlyum...who I think has potential. ok my phone is gonna run out but I have to go
    bye nowbye!

    Text: Ciccio & Marie Karlberg
    Photos: Nicholas Venezia

KAYA (Kerstin Brätsch & Debo Eilers)
Bärenzwinger, 2018-2021 Video (color, sound)
24 min (looped)
Sound by: Olin Caprison Text by: Simon Wu

KAYA (Kerstin Brätsch & Debo Eilers)
OraKle painting (catacomb mirror_The Whale), 2022
Mirrored aluminum composite, glass paint, epoxy, pigment, metal, fiberglass, aqua- resin, aircraft cable, leather, silver leaf
Metal Structure Dimensions: 56 1/2 ⁠× ⁠70 1/8 ⁠× ⁠1 1/2 in

KAYA (Kerstin Brätsch & Debo Eilers)
OraKle painting (catacomb mirror_The Weasel), 2022
Mirrored aluminum composite, glass paint, epoxy, pigment, metal, fiberglass, aqua- resin, aircraft cable, leather, silver leaf
Metal Structure Dimensions: 56 1/2 ⁠× ⁠70 1/8 ⁠× ⁠1 1/2 in

KAYA (Kerstin Brätsch & Debo Eilers)
OraKle painting (catacomb mirror_The Worm), 2022
Mirrored aluminum composite, glass paint, epoxy, pigment, metal, fiberglass, aqua- resin, aircraft cable, leather, silver leaf
Metal Structure Dimensions: 56 1/2 ⁠× ⁠70 1/8 ⁠× ⁠1 1/2 in

KAYA (Kerstin Brätsch & Debo Eilers)
OraKle painting (catacomb mirror_The Wolf), 2022
Mirrored aluminum composite, glass paint, epoxy, pigment, metal, fiberglass, aqua- resin, aircraft cable, leather, silver leaf
Metal Structure Dimensions: 56 1/2 ⁠× ⁠70 1/8 ⁠× ⁠1 1/2 in

KAYA (Kerstin Brätsch & Debo Eilers)
Catacomb lamp_Stanley, 2022
LED lights, electrical wire, leather, epoxy, metal, glass paint, silver leaf
39 ⁠× ⁠66 in

KAYA (Kerstin Brätsch & Debo Eilers)
Catacomb lamp_OXO, 2022
LED lights, electrical wire, leather, epoxy, metal, glass paint, silver leaf
24 ⁠× ⁠61 in

KAYA (Kerstin Brätsch & Debo Eilers)
Catacomb lamp_Husky, 2022
LED lights, electrical wire, leather, epoxy, metal, glass paint, silver leaf
20 ⁠× ⁠73 in

KAYA (Kerstin Brätsch & Debo Eilers)
Catacomb lamp_Hamilton Beach, 2022
LED lights, electrical wire, leather, epoxy, metal, glass paint, silver leaf
31 ⁠× ⁠73 in

KAYA (Kerstin Brätsch & Debo Eilers)
OraKle painting (catacomb mirror_HOME), 2022
Mirrored aluminum composite, epoxy, pigment, metal, fiberglass, aqua-resin, aircraft cable, leather